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In episode 46, we explore the innovative IoT end-to-end solutions being developed at Vodafone IoT📲 and the transformations wide deployment will make. Also diving in to why security is such a pressing issue for IoT🔒

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  • What are your backgrounds? 01:0504:00 📲
  • Vodafone’s strategy for IoT 04:0008:13 📲
  • What are the most prominent End-To-End Solutions Vodafone are working on? 08:1317:42 📲
  • Can you explain IoT Security Surveillance and what this means for public safety improvements? 17:4221:58 📲
  • How do you ensure device security at Vodafone? 21:5823:44 📲
  • How does Vodafone E2E Solutions simplify IoT? 23:4430:16 📲
  • What innovations are you most excited about in IoT? 30:1634:42 📲

Episode Transcript

Tom White
Welcome to The IoT Podcast show I’m your host Tom White. Today we are joined by not one but two people from Vodafone IoT. Firstly, we have Christine Chen who is the principal IoT engineering manager and Sudhir Sarangapany company who is the head of engineering for digital services IoT. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, guys really looking forward to the chat.

Sudhir Sarangapany Thank you, Tom was a pleasure to be here.

Christine Chen Thanks for having us.

Tom White

You’re welcome. So for everyone that’s listening that has heard a bit about obviously Vodafone’s interest in IoT from various angles. Can we just scale back a little bit and talk about how individually you both got into IoT and engineering?

Sudhir Sarangapany
Sure, I mean, I’ll maybe kick-off. So Christina and I are part of Vodafone engineering. And we work in our IoT practice, which is part of a wider organisation that looks at building and running platforms for businesses. I, I’ve been associated with it not too long, I must say just about three years ago. But I’ve been with Vodafone for over last American 11 years, actually. How did I end up in IoT is one of the coolest parts of Vodafone, I must admit now that I’m here.

And, you know, we typically encourage internal movements, and so on and so forth. So prior to this, I was working predominantly on the writing platforms, looking at product development, supporting product development, business, automation, and so on. I saw an opportunity to move into IoT one thing led to another. It’s been three years or so.

Tom White
Okay, fantastic. And 11 years in total with the company 11 years into something good, right?

Sudhir Sarangapany
Oh, definitely does well. Yeah, there’s a lot going on. And the thing I really like is the fact that you can move, move around and do lots of different things, from treaties to be in it part of from business of philosophy. So yes, excellent.

Tom White
How about yourself, Christine?

Christine Chen
So for me my backgrounds in degrees in bachelor’s, master’s electrical engineering, I started as an RF engineer in the telco industry, so upgrading Vodafone sites, from 2g to 3g, 3g to 4g in Australia, spent a few years in defence as the engineering lead, before going complete opposite went for multinationals, the startup and that was an end of startups in different industries before finally, finding my passion in a startup called thanks, Rob, who is the sick Fox operator in Australia, New Zealand in Hong Kong, and really, really enjoyed my experience working in it, I loved how that interface between technology and use cases of how people actually use it and the impact on its day to day life.

So then, after that, I went into consulting for a year on the fringes of IoT and realised actually I prefer to be more hands-on working with the technology and IoT, so joined Vodafone last year. Compare this idea, my baby and Vodafone joined last August, but I’m really, really excited about the projects we have in digital services. The team has probably my team has over doubled in the last year. I tripled in the last year. So it’s been good. It’s been an exciting challenge. Yeah. and fun.

Tom White
No, absolutely. Thank you for that. And we were just joking. Obviously, backstage as it were that you joined and have never yet been on site. Right. So we you know, you’re growing, working in this fast-paced industry at a company but doing it all remotely as well, Christine?

Christine Chen
Yes. Oh, it’s been fun I when I talk to my colleagues every day, probably too much every day. So it almost feels like we’re not that far away from each other. But it definitely would be nice to catch up for a drink when things start to open up in September.

Tom White
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for that intro. It’s really fascinating to know which pass you guys have both come from into Vodafone. Just to talk a little bit more about what you’re actually doing. Can you give us some insights into Vodafone’s strategy for IoT, in relation to businesses and what it is that you guys working on on a continual basis? Sure.

Sudhir Sarangapany
I mean, increasingly, in Vodafone, we’re very purpose LED. So our purpose is to connect for a better future and create digital societies but in a way that is inclusive to all in a way that is sustainable in a way that is good for the planet. So a lot of what we’re doing in IoT and other areas. as well is increasingly more and more linked to our purpose. If you look at what we’re doing from a business point of view, but from business, our strategy essentially covers three broad areas. The first one is to extend our leadership in IoT managed connectivity.

The second one is to become a leading provider of IoT end to end solutions. And the third one is to become a leading provider of mobile private networks, which is an area that’s receiving an increasing focus on investment right now, I’ll very briefly touch on each one of these. So starting off with connectivity, I’d like to say it’s IoT, cellular managed connectivity, something we pioneered. And we feel we do it better than anybody else. Because we have over 120 million connections on our platform today. And we’re growing at roughly about 20% per year. The manage connectivity platform, we have this last meeting, we’ve been a leader in the Magic Quadrant for the Gartner Magic Quadrant for seven consecutive years, cooperating five, five continents on our native countries. And we continue to do more and more when it comes to connectivity. We’re looking at ways we can grow our business. That’s through technology, differentiation, innovation, partnerships, and so on and so forth.

So connectivity is the first piece, we’re continuing to read quite a bit on that link to connectivity is mobile, private networks, private networks are, where you think about it, are there local networks built to cover a specific location, more often than not, and through private networks, you can deliver better service, better level of control, more security, and so on. When you then combine private networks, which add with edge computing, it starts to pave the way for a number of low latency applications across different industry verticals. So we’re making some good progress in private networks. And that’s a big area of focus for us. And thirdly, which is a lot closer to Christine, to product business that Christy and I work in, is IoT end to end solutions.

So our plan is to build up a fairly large catalogue of IoT into institutions that serve the needs of various businesses, different shapes, different sizes, different industry verticals, we’re getting in place, we’re putting in place the right capabilities that will enable us to build up this catalogue at pace and at scale, leveraging footprint that we have across the world. It is transmission is a super exciting area for us. Christine mentioned how it is grown. But we’ll talk about that in a bit more. So those are the three key areas of our strategy, continue to lead on connectivity, start to become a leading provider of mobile private networks, and also start to build up a really good differentiate except for Biogen transitions.

Tom White
Fantastic. Well, thank you for thank you very much for that today. Yeah, it’s, I mean, it’s a very exciting time. Clearly, you know, we’ve had a number of people on the podcast talking about various initiatives that they’re doing with IoT. And I think one of the main things that is almost scary is that there are almost limitless use cases isn’t there for what we can do without a number of people on from device LED, and smart technology, all the way through to medical technology and various other facets that touch upon people’s lives.

And for me, that’s one of the great drivers for IoT is that it’s really the enablement of having a better life and for people to be able to bring enrich themselves with the technology around them. On that note, I’d be curious to know, what are the prominent end to end solutions that you that you guys are working on right now. And also maybe if we can touch upon what you think may be more prominent in a couple of years to come and what we’ll be seeing out there in the in the open market? 

Sudhir Sarangapany
What many might not realise it is we actually have companies or subsidiaries within Vodafone, that specialise in in building and developing IoT solutions. So we’ve actually got five centres of competence that our companies we’ve acquired over the years Vodafone automotive is one of them. They’re based in Italy, and they have the capability to design and manufacture devices as well. And they serve a lot of automotive and insurance businesses. We’ve got another central competence called IoT dot next based out of South Africa, they specialise in facilities and energy management. Another one from South Africa is mezzanine and they look at agriculture.

We then got Grant centrex in Germany, who, who have quite a bit of specialism when it comes to low powered networks and devices, narrowband IoT chipset and things like that. And they’ve had quite a lot of success with a number of industrial consumer goods Manuka Companies or businesses. And finally we’ve got another, another subsidiary called bolt on innovation based out of Greece, they’re starting to focus on things like remote patient monitoring in the health space. So we’ve got these five centres of competence. And more or less correlated to those centres of competence are the different verticals that we’re going after. So on automotive, and we’ve got, I would say fairly mature solutions on fleet management and stolen vehicle recovery. on health. We’re currently building two things. One is a remote patient monitoring solution working with our colleagues and performing service in Greece. And another one we’re really excited about is a connected living solution that we’re building for the for the care sector.

So help is an area we’re starting to focus on quite a bit. logistics, I would say is something we’ve had quite a lot of experience in logistics solution, they span different customer segments. So we recently launched a solution called packing track and temperature data, two solutions actually in Spain, and we’re in the process of launching them and both publicly, these are targeted more of a small and medium businesses. But then when you look at some of our larger customers will probably have slightly more complex problems to solve. We’ve got some advanced tracking solutions using things like smart labels, and so on. So logistics is an area where there’s quite a bit of innovation right now. Buildings is another vertical, we’ve got a surveillance solution, we’ve also got a thermal screening or heat detection solution. Hopefully, someday we’ll get back into the offices.

And we’re very close to launching and office spaces solution as well. And finally, we are working through our roadmap for agriculture and the industrial sector. So a vertical focus across the different verticals, a breach of these, we’ve got centres of competence, essentially companies that specialise in building solutions, and sometimes even hardware for some of these verticals, I would also say that the end to end solutions, we kind of bucket them into two ends of the spectrum we’ve got plugged into our solutions are a fairly, you know, they should work just out of the box.

They work, they typically work really well for small and medium businesses. And then the other end of the spectrum, we’ve got customer-tailored solutions. These ones are very specific to the business outcome or the problems, which our customers are trying to solve. More often than not, they involve quite a bit of CO creation with the customers and partners as well. We’ve got several of those. And again, these ones tend to be a bit more complex, but quite innovative. And these are ones where we bring in private network edge computing and video analytics and IoT together. So it’s hard to sort of put a finger on one or the other. This is quite a lot going on.

Christine Chen
One thing about Vodafone really is like is that ability to focus on these different areas that are coming up in it the plug and play and the customised solutions.

Tom White
Thank you very much for that. I mean, that’s truly pretty much every angle in every corner of IoT being covered there. Right. I think one of the things that’s quite interesting, you should mention is agritech. So we’ve had vertical farming specialists on the podcast in the past. And what kind of dawned to me is the progression of vertical farming and agritech to essentially Grow Your Own to cut down on the need for free shipping of perishable items food, right, so, so we had Delta track on in the past that created an IoT solution to from a logistics standpoint, he spoke about logistics as well to track and monitor when food was becoming spoiled, right. So that you would essentially divert that shipment to another country to be sold to someone sooner.

In the case, it couldn’t reach its end destination. Because I think the stats are crazy about 40% 45% of all fruit and vegetables that are shipped across the world ends up not being used. So for me, it’s kind of juxtaposed in a way because you’ve got IoT solutions, enabling better logistics and freight and transport, but then you’ve got other ones that potentially could wipe out that, do you? And you know, I know this is a bit of a curveball question, but do you see it as a sort of Darwin-esque survival of the fittest IoT solution? And because some of these are gonna compete against others, right, in the sense of logistics versus agritech. And also in automotive, there’s different angles. One, what are your thoughts on that just quickly?

Sudhir Sarangapany
I mean, what we’re finding is there are overlaps when you look at different solutions that, like you say, you know, we’re targeting from an agriculture point of view or a facilities management point of view or logistics point of view. To be honest, a lot of it depends on how you bring some of these different elements together. For instance, you know, we’re putting in facilities management solutions, to monitor energy levels in buildings and facilities, and so on and so forth. When you start to combine that with Office occupancy, that’s, that’s one level of additional value and problems that you can look to solve that you probably didn’t even knew was ever possible. When you then add valence into it, and the out of the possible video analytics, there’s more that comes into it. So it’s not something we’re worried about. To be honest, I think we’re just looking at all of these from different perspectives. And you’d be quite surprised as to how much you can get by bringing some of these things.

Christine Chen
And maybe that’s, maybe that’s how that’s the potential of plug and play solutions is that the more plug and play solutions we have available, the less we’re focused on certain verticals, or certain use cases. But when the plug and play solutions come together, what sort of industry what sort of vertical they can serve? And I think that’s the beauty of plug and play. Really?

Tom White
Yeah, I agree. This is a synergy effect, isn’t it? 

Sudhir Sarangapany
The thing that is challenging, though, is how you create these unique application experiences that span across different end-to-end solutions. That’s the bit that’s a bit more difficult, because the personas and the types of people who deal with a facilities management solution in one of our business customers is slightly different to probably the person or the other department or function, even looking at logistics. So bringing the solutions together is not necessarily that difficult. In our experience, at least the ones we’ve had more recent items. It’s building these seamless application experiences that sit across multiple solutions. That’s the piece that we’re trying to really crack.

Christine Chen
Yeah, some things to do, and I’m very passionate about this is that I’m just tracking solutions alone, there’s hundreds of 1000s of tracking society solutions out there available, just temperature sensor alone, there’s 1000s of options out there, but then how you bring these two different use cases together and provide a comprehensive, seamless experience to our customers, and provide the insights that they that are really the value that it provides to them rather than just tracking things. It’s the insight behind these sensor monitoring that provides value to our customers and providing that kind of service to them, I think is I think, personally, I think the future of IoT.

Tom White
Yeah, no, I completely agree and can see why what you say that, Christine, because it’s providing a common user interface in a way, right? We look at the principles of single sign-on. And I think that’s quite interesting when we talk about IoT, because it’s great having all of these devices, but unless they talk together work in harmony, that either the usage of them won’t be as high as it should be. Or you won’t get the synergetic effect that we spoke about just now by combining them and what can be done linking all of these together from a plug and play version.

So yeah, 100 to 100%. And it’ll be interesting to see where this goes in the future. Just moving on quickly, guys. Vodafone business surveillance service is something that caught my eye while browsing some of your solutions online. To create a safe and secure environment, be that work home, in shops, etc. Security is clearly Paramount and something that we’ve spoken about on the podcast many times in the past. Could you explain a little bit about IoT security surveillance and what this means for public safety improvements?

Christine Chen
I’ll probably take that question. So that’s a solution that verify has been working on since 2019. We’re working with a vendor partner with a bend down that solution, we’ve turned around that solution in a very short timeframe within six months. And basically it’s a it’s a it’s a combination of it’s an example of what we were talking about earlier, rather than a single sensor, a single use case. It’s a combination of different sensors, different smart cameras coming together to provide a unified experience a unified solution to our customers. It our focus, it’s already launched it is available to purchase on the Vodafone website.

Our future focus in the coming quarters will be on future-proofing that solution making it as compatible to different devices and sensors as possible out there in the market standardising the interfaces. So our customers can pick and choose what cameras they want to use, what sensors they want to use and incorporate that part as part of our solution. And there’s also other use cases we’re looking at like body-worn. For example. working more with the airline industry with manufacturing to provide to address problems like faulty paint on an aircraft. Business surveillance is a solution that can scan the paint on an aircraft and see where there’s fault and highlight that as an alert to the customer. But, yes, so so we’re quite really, really passionate about that solution. It’s really, that solution has really been a joint effort within Vodafone, the different teams in Vodafone nl vendor, and there’s going to be more capability coming.

Tom White
I think I think it’s very interesting that the business surveillance platform, as you say in some of the things that you’re looking at, certainly that payment use case that you mentioned, this is really, really curious. Right, it’s, it’s fantastic.

Christine Chen
Yeah, and you mentioned security on our solutions. That is something that Vodafone is quite known for coming from a telco. So background security is inherent to what we do, we follow a secure by design process where at the project level we have, we work with group security team to make sure our solutions are compliant with our Vodafone security policies.

But also every year, our teams go through a cybersecurity board evaluation process where we’re faced with over 300 security controls that we have to be compliant with. And these include things like patching, for example, how we segregate our development environments to a test environment and production environments. How do we how do we do engineering? How do we develop a product? How do we do testing it all of these are part of security is in every aspect of the way we build a solution in Vodafone and, and how we handle customer data. So it’s I think it’s one of the inherent advantages of Vodafone in the IoT industry is that ability to address and focus on security. And

Tom White
I think this is key all by design principles that you talk about is something that’s very dear to our heart to the podcast. Our businesses are both members of the IoT security Foundation, and know that very, very well indeed. So it’s it’s glad to know that it’s not an afterthought, from Vodafone’s perspective, as often it is in many businesses, right? It’s a gold plating exercise, it’s something that they look at retrospectively. And you really can’t do that with IoT, you know, it’s, it’s the weakness is the weakest link often that can cause these issues, you know,

Christine Chen
it’s increasingly going to be a problem for IoT, right? When it comes to consumer data and say, you know, just just a tracker for your pet dog, for example, that might not be as big of a problem. But in Vodafone in especially our part of the business, wherein we’re dealing with a lot of our customers, our enterprises, and corporates, um, security is important to them. And the way we do secure by design, I think delivers value to those, especially those customers.

Tom White
Is there anything that you want to add to that today?

Sudhir Sarangapany
Before we move on in the show? No, I’m pretty certain, Christine will have covered quite a bit. I mean, security and data privacy and security are things we, we take very seriously at Vodafone. So sometimes it’s frustrating and must be honest, the amount of work we have to do in relation to those three things before we take solutions to market.

Tom White
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That’s fantastic. Guide, it can obviously be a very complex process. One solution can involve multiple components from various vendors. How does Vodafone’s end to end solutions? simplify IoT from both hardware, software and connectivity?

Sudhir Sarangapany
I’ll get started and maybe Christine can give you some specific examples. So overall, we’re establishing the right technology capabilities and processes when it comes to to end to end solution. So at a very high level, it’s like a three-step process. So the first is around how we go about identifying the solutions we should take to market. And that’s done through a lot of research, number, a number of discussions with all of our customers across equipment and so on. And alongside that identification process is what we call a selection process.

So this is where we work out what solutions would fit that need. Right? So that’s step one, is quite a bit is quite a robust way in which we go about doing that identification and selection but a hell of a lot of focus on customers. Second is a process we call industrialization and this is a series of things we do Around onboarding the solutions from a centre of competence, few that we build ourselves as well as partners. So things that we have to do to onboard them and roll them out across our footprint at scale and happiness. So that’s a process that we call industrialization.

And thirdly is what we refer to as localization. Now, we’ve got a presence in lots of different countries. So quite often, we have to tailor some of these solutions to serve the needs of our local customers. This could be as simple as language and pricing, but sometimes it also factors in regulatory needs that may vary by region. So identification and selection, industrialization, localization, quite a lot of focus on processes and capabilities. And a lot of technology involved, different platforms, eCommerce platforms, marketplace platforms, and quite a lot more explanation. Do you want to touch on a few examples, Christine?

Christine Chen
Yeah, absolutely. So just add to that, um, that was something that really surprised me. I’m pleasantly surprised me Actually, when I joined Vodafone is onboarding a solution in Vodafone isn’t like where I’ve experienced in other companies, you literally just make it part of your catalogue. And that was it. Oh, and slap your logo onto it. And that was it. Now when we onboard a solution, it needs to be part of Vodafone’s processes and systems.

Our customers want a simplified unified billing and ordering process for these IoT solutions. And this isn’t just for the UK. This means globally across all Vodafone’s companies in Spain, in Greece and Italy, in different company countries. And that is a lot of work. And we do put in a lot of effort to provide that kind of uniformed, simple about experience to our customers. What one way of doing that is we’ve developed what we call a partner playbook, which is similar to Amazon’s vendor playbook. A guideline is basically a set of rules and processes that our vendors and partners have to follow in order to be able to interface into the rest of Vodafone’s processes and systems in order to sell and at a global scale.

And I think this is this kind of standardise onboarding vendors and partners kind of way of working is crucial to be able to scale at a global at the global rate we want to grow. We don’t want to just be able to sell a solution in the UK or in Italy, we want why not sell globally, why not sell in APAC or wherever Vodafone has a presence and don’t doesn’t have a presence. So we’re standardising that interface with Vodafone make it to make it a much more simpler process for our vendors to onboard to become a Vodafone solution than it used to be in the past. We also putting in a lot of processes in the engineering team like automation tools, creating a way of industrialising and localising solutions at a much faster pace than our first view our solutions. We’re looking at how to how to managing because it’s a joint effort. It’s not just Vodafone that’s developing these solutions. A lot of these solutions are joint efforts with our vendors, or a lot of them have come directly from our vendors and partners.

So it’s a we’re working with our partners to improve their release, or improve advice in their release life cycles. So where we’re developing, helping them with them, helping them develop their solutions in a more agile way to make sure they’re improving, we’re launching solutions quickly, but at the same time, improving them over time in a faster manner than then I think what the IoT industry has been used to see.

So an example would be recently we’ve been working with one of our vendors to improve their release lifecycle by 50%. And by doing that we’re catching bugs a lot more, a lot faster. And we’re able to release a lot faster and add features to a solution a lot faster. They will then what we what we previously were used to and I’ll want to do that I want to see that across all of our vendors. Yeah, and I think that another thing maybe another thing to add is in my team.

So we’re not just a team of software engineers, and we were across truly cross functional engineering team today has really made sure that happens. And I appreciate that because i think it’s it’s something it across functional engineering is something that is new to that I think the typical kind of it mindset that a lot of people go into it I used to thinking. So in my team, we have software engineers, we have test engineers, test leads, DevOps engineer. We’re also looking at bringing onboard bringing the hardware expertise in house as well. And having infrastructure expertise. So it’s truly a cross functional engineering effort working, using Vodafone’s capability to support our vendors and partners to launch solutions in a very, very fast manner. To get to that very large IoT market.

Tom White
Well, I think you’re doing an absolutely fantastic job, you know, a product by the sounds of it, what we see online, the various use cases that you’re touching. I love the idea of the playbook. I really love how simple that is for businesses to be able to follow a step by step guideline about how that they can integrate with what you’re doing. And one would imagine we’re talking about simplification, security by design, and, and good general practices around IoT product and feature development, which which, which is amazing to see. And I’m glad that that’s at the start of the process, rather than somehow bulged in at the end. So that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s great. And if we just take your Vodafone caps off for a moment, and we talk about the future of IoT, you know, what excites you the most? I mean, clearly, you’re both very passionate people in this industry. Where do you see this going? And what is it that you really are interested in, in seeing in the future, maybe starting with yourself to do?

Sudhir Sarangapany
I think you mentioned that at the beginning, Tom, the possibilities are endless, really. You know, the some of these things, we’re actually working on a film, by the way, you know, the possibilities of bringing blockchain and IoT technologies together, for instance, is super exciting. As we move to a world where things transact with things right without human intervention. So that whole journey of blockchain and IoT is something we’re quite excited about in the team. precise positioning is another area, there’s so many different technologies you can use when it comes to either indoor or, or outdoor precise positioning, right. So you have to apply fi ultra-wideband technology, and so on. So, again, there’s just so many things you could be looking at when it comes to precise positioning. V to x, I mean, the jury’s out in terms of when vehicle to everything type capabilities will be there.

But that’s an area where, you know, we’re, we’re quite excited to see where it goes. And fundamental to all of this is what you can do with data analytics and insights, different forms of data, including video analytics. I mean, some of the ways in which we’ve solved the problems we’re solving for customers using video analytics, you’d be quite surprised at the types of problems we were applying to Billy analytics, the technology’s there, to be honest, a lot of it is down to how you apply that and how you bring these different disparate pieces together. It’s a very, very exciting time for technology, to be honest.

Tom White
Yeah, absolutely. And just quickly today, you mentioned blockchain if you’re interested in how blockchain machine learning and IoT can be involved, there’s an episode that we filmed with Jan Jongboom from edge in policies a former principal engineer arm, he’s got a business doing a lot of work with embedded machine learning variety might be worth having a look at as well. Yeah. Christine, How about yourself? Where’s the future? Where’s your heart at within it?

Christine Chen
Um, a lot of places. I’m really passionate about the office spaces solution we’ll be launching soon. Vodafone is actually going to be using that ourselves to manage our office spaces, post-COVID. So really excited about use cases like that. connected vehicles. Another one I’m horrible at parking is in my teens, I better not run around cost me when I’m driving. If I ever drive into Newberry which I’m not going to

Tom White
obviously, that’s the real reason you haven’t gone to the office, right?

Christine Chen
connected vehicles. Ai IoT is another exciting one. But I really I think I just like to get to a point where the conversation in the industry isn’t about which is going to be the next prominent use case. But rather, IoT is just everywhere in our life. So it’s not about use case, but it’s just part of our life and day to day life. And maybe just the point get to a point where my mom would actually know the difference between IoT and IoT would really help as well. So um, yeah, I think that’s really what I’m trying to get to in it.

Tom White
Yeah, no, that’s fantastic. That’s such it’s a nice, sweet, poignant thing to end it on. Because one of the things that we tried to do with this podcast is to actually explain the significance of IoT at a high level to people who are perhaps outside of the industry. Can I think we can all Be victim to getting wrapped up in our own solutions and what we’re doing. It’s just the average person on the street. What does this mean to them? And hopefully anyone that didn’t know IoT already understood, it took some really valuable insights from from the time that you guys have kindly given up today to talk about it.

So, yeah, without further ado, Christine, Sudhir, thank you so much for coming on to the IoT podcast show today. It’s been fantastic, really, really insightful to hear about Vodafone and everything that’s going on. I assume people can find out more about Vodafone online, perhaps just go through the Vodafone website is any other locations that they can have a look at? started vodafone.com a lot will take you wherever it needs to take you. Okay, excellent. Fantastic. Thank you very much for coming on to the show. And if you’d like to find out more about Vodafone and initiatives in it, check out the website look at the comments in the in the link below this episode. Please get involved in the conversation and we hope to see you on the next episode soon.

 

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